He/She/They/Ze
Reading Robin Dembroff and Daniel Wodak's piece, He/She/They/Ze, was quite eye-opening for me. After reading and processing their piece, I believe that I actually noticed a difference in my ideas on gender and personal pronouns before and after reading their piece. Before reading this piece, I can honestly say that I did not consider the level of hurt that one can cause by using the wrong gender pronoun for someone. And as much as it hurts me to admit now, I sometimes did not even feel comfortable sharing my own personal pronouns at times. This may be because growing up, I was strictly taught many of my beliefs from a community that practiced "exclusivity": my church. As Dembroff and Wodak point out, I was taught that "each person is either (exclusively) a man or (exclusively) a woman" (380). In fact, before reading this piece, I did not even fully understand what it meant for someone to be genderqueer. However, I believe that Dembroff and Wodak's piece really allowed my mind to expand and be open to accepting new ideas and being part of a more inclusive community.
My goal for reading Dembroff and Wodak's piece was to be as open-minded and understanding as possible. With that in mind when reading their piece, my initial reaction to their Moderate Claim was quite along those lines. I honestly believe that I was able to have an appropriate reaction because I had been previously well trained by Siena faculty and the Siena community to understand the general importance of using the correct gender pronouns to refer to each individual. Therefore, my initial reaction was to be quite understanding of their claim and to acknowledge that it really IS my duty to "not to use binary gender-specific pronouns (he or she) to refer to genderqueer individuals like Angel Haze" (372). I understand that many people in our modern society choose to identify themselves differently from their birth sex and in order to respect every person, it is best to ask what each individual would prefer to be called. To put this scenario in perspective, I find it helpful to compare asking a person about their preferred gender pronoun to asking if a person prefers to be called by their legal name or by a nickname. Each individual has that choice of name and so they should have a choice of pronoun.
Interestingly, my reaction to Dembroff and Wodak's Radical Claim was not quite as understanding as my reaction to their Moderate Claim at first. I believe my reaction stemmed mostly from the confusion I faced when I thought about eliminating gender pronouns in general. I strongly believe that their Radical Claim, that "we have a duty not to use gender-specific pronouns to refer to anyone, regardless of their gender identity" (372), would initially shock many people. However, after processing and actively wanting to understand their claim, I do believe that many people would learn how to be more understanding, just like I did.
Ultimately, what helped me fully understand their Radical Claim was Elvin Pedersen-Nielsen's TEDx Talk on Educating Kids About Gender Norms. I found it quite moving that more people than we realize identify themselves differently than their birth sex or have chosen a sexual orientation other than straight; but, because of fear of criticism, they do not feel comfortable sharing that identity with the world or even with their community. This made me feel quite saddened by our modern society which often tries to emphasize the inclusion of everyone. After learning of this, I believe that I was finally ready and able to open my mind to understanding why Dembroff and Wodak would want to get rid of gender-pronouns in general.
Personally, while I do understand their Radical Claim, I still do not believe that we should get rid of all gender-pronouns. This is not necessarily because of tradition nor the idea that many conservative people would react negatively to this idea, but because many other people in society could also react negatively. Dembroff and Wodak mention this idea, but I found the idea that many transgender people would take this to heart to be quite powerful. A person that is transgender was brave enough to choose to identify themselves differently than their birth sex and thus deserves our respect when it comes to calling them what they would like to be called. A transgender woman deserves our respect in calling her, "she," and a transgender male deserves our respect in calling him, "he." Therefore, I believe that I am ultimately behind calling other people exactly what they would prefer to be called. This could be HE, SHE, THEY, or ZE. While I understand that problems can still arise with this method such as shyness and criticism, the conversation begins now. And the more we talk about inclusivity for everyone, the more inclusive we will actually become.

Hi Natalie!
ReplyDeleteI agree that it was easy to accept the moderate claim but harder to understand the radical claim. I liked the example of asking people what their preferred pronouns are at the same time we ask them any nicknames they prefer to be called by, as it is a similar comparison. I also think the radical claim would shock people, but maybe in the future people will be more understanding and this would be easier to implement. One of my major concerns when reading this article dealt with transgender people who deserve to be called by the pronoun they truly identify with. Maybe if linguistics adapted, then using "they" as a pronoun for transgender individuals would not be disrespectful, but in the present day I do think we should stick to using she/he for transgender individuals because using "they" implies that they do not identify as either a man or woman. Lastly, I think we both shared the goal of trying to be as open-minded to learning as possible, and I can see that this reading changed your opinions on certain topics just like it did for me!
-Ashna Gupta
Hi Natalie and Ashna,
DeleteNatalie--I'm wondering how you would respond to the point that Ashna raised about the possibility of a different linguistic future. On page 387 of the article, Dembroff and Wodak make it clear that they are considering the possibility of a linguistic culture in which gender neutral pronouns are used for each person and they suggest that in such circumstances, "there is no longer a background assumption that speakers use he or she for individuals within the gender binary, so referring to Serano as they no longer fails to treat her as a woman or implicates that she has some third non-binary gender." I'm curious what you think of this suggestion and whether you think they are right or not. Even if it was ubiquitous cultural norm to use "they" when referring to any person, would someone like Julia Serano lose out by not being referred to by the pronoun "she"? I suppose this brings up a further question. In the Introduction to the article, Dembroff and Wodak state that (usually) we do not have a positive moral duty to refer to anyone with the pronoun she (371-372). Do you agree with that statement?
Hi Natalie,
ReplyDeleteI agree with a lot of what you said. The radical claim was something that initially confused me as well as it is not something I had heard of before. I know people who identify with pronouns that are not gender-specific. but to think that perhaps we should abolish all gender-specific pronouns was quite a concept to wrap my head around. I agree with both you and Ashna when it comes to transgender people and how harmful it could be to refer to them with pronouns that are not gender-specific. So many transgender people deal with being put out onto the street, mental health issues such as depression and just an general disacceptance from the general public. To go through all of that and not be referred to the specific gender that they want and one that is not specific to any gender, that would be so difficult. I think pronouns are such a simple way to make someone who is transgender feel comfortable and accepted. In the world we live in, I just do not see how gender non-specific pronouns would be the answer. But I am not sure, maybe one day. We'll see! I think all we can do is keep being open-minded and try to listen to what everyone has to say, all the while being kind and respectful.
-Bri Blake
Hi Nat!
ReplyDeleteI too feel as though after reading the article my perception altered. The moderate claim was easier to accept for me too, which is understandable why it was made to be the moderate claim and not the radical one. I like how you stated that you went into the reading with an open mind as I think this is how we should all go into different readings.
Hi Natalie, I Agreed with the moderate claim on first reading of the piece myself, and had sort of the opposite effect with the radical claim. Where I thought it was a good idea and not very radical, and than thinking about it kind of didn't understand what it meant before ending up at a similar point as yourself. What do you think a proper idea is for society to adopt, one closer to the radical claim, the moderate claim or something else entirely?
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